It's the right thing to do, esp. if you were an elder and participated in a JC where people got hurt by being publically reproved or disfellowshipped. Just because we thought and believed what we did was right, doesn't make it so. People won't always demand apologies for it, but it's the right thing to do, regardless of potential legal entanglements, such as civil suits for mis-guided actions. I can understand why many don't go through with apologies. It's a painful thing to choose to do, but it's rightly done. No need to gravel, though, you know? Hugs to you for doing it. I have wondered how many xjw elders have tried to make amends to those whose lives they might have helped damage.
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APOLOGIZE TO FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR AS JW
by jam ini have been out since 1987, was a elder.
half my family are jw, the others are strong baptist.
i made my regrets to all my family also to old school friends.
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What the hell
by lola28 inwhat the heck is wrong with some ppl?
i went to get lunch at my normal place, everyone there is hispanic and they all speak english.
today i walk in and start to order my food in english but the girl that was there to take my order replied in spanish so i just started to speak in spanish.
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There is absoulutely no doubt in my mind that this man is working for the INS as an undercover agent. (wink, wink) He was just trying to set you up so he could arrest, (and indefintely detain you or someone else), on petty grounds. (How's that for a conspiracy theory?)
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Thanks to those who have thought of me. . .
by MsMcDucket inthere have been people here who have went out of there way to be helpful to me.
my memory is so bad, as well as, my organizational skills.
i was hoping that i'd be able to look the people back up in the pm's that were sent, but the pm's go away after awhile.. anyway, i know akjeff sent my husband a get well card.
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How are you doing now? I read your post about some awful-sounding diagnosis awhile back. I hope you are taking care of yourself (and that you have some help). I don't think you should have to worry about keeping up with anything more than your well-being at this time. Our positive thoughts for your healing are with you. Hugs to you now! And don't worry about keeping up with this, either. Best wishes to you. I enjoy your posts, BTW!
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Could this be a way to sue the WTS for disfellowshipping?
by sinis inhttp://www.eeoc.gov/policy/vii.html.
an act.
to enforce the constitutional right to vote, to confer jurisdiction upon.
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I guess the only way to get around that would be to prove illegitimacy of non-profit status. Good luck with that.
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Prisoner 8633 at CafePress. Get your own Rutherford T-shirts and mugs now!
by VM44 inunique!.
be the first in your neighborhood to own your very own prisoner 8633 t-shirt!
who is prisoner 8633?
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Cool. Now, where's the dartboard version?
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College-ed'cated SIL Quits Career To Pioneer
by Madame Quixote inwhat a waste of a college education.
i just saw my baby brother for the first time in a couple of years (except that time when i "saw" him at the bank and he shunned me, a couple months ago).
anyhoo, i escorted my jw grandma from her summer vacation (visiting non-jw relatives, where she went 2 mos.
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This is so well put, LHG. I especially agree with your analogy about how the WT Society pushes pioneering the way some kids push ominous chain letters. I really, really like that comparison. I think many Witnesses do get caught up in the idea that if they don't preach like crazy, they're "blood guilty." I remember feeling a little guilty myself whenever I heard that expression as a kid because I felt I didn't do enough field service, but I really did want to save people from Armageddon and "everlasting destruction." It's really kinda' sad. I'm glad you asked the question; it helps me lose a little of the anger, at least for now. It is sad, more than anything, to see that people do this mean shit, like shunning and "not getting too attached" to their non-witness new-born relatives' children out of fear. And it's disgusting and angering. Infants are absolutely guileless; to promote fear of attachment, especially,to any baby or family member, is totally ridiculous and inhumane; it is especially stupid to be that way if you really care about "saving them" from "everlasting destruction."
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College-ed'cated SIL Quits Career To Pioneer
by Madame Quixote inwhat a waste of a college education.
i just saw my baby brother for the first time in a couple of years (except that time when i "saw" him at the bank and he shunned me, a couple months ago).
anyhoo, i escorted my jw grandma from her summer vacation (visiting non-jw relatives, where she went 2 mos.
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Well, I've done both, although I only temporarily pioneered as a youngster. I definitely prefer having a job that actually respects me enough to pay me for my labor and time. Women in the Warttower Society get little true respect, and by leaving their paying jobs they just get more of the same. I'm beginning to feel they deserve it for acting like children and not really properly contributing to their own families or to the community in a meaningful way. To me, pioneering is a meaningless waste - a waste of trees, gas, time, money, human resources; and it helps to promote neglect of family and intellect. I wonder how many true needs (physical and emotional) are neglected in families because of pioneering? Pioneering and doing bible studies with strangers deprives the pioneer from doing something else really useful or helpful for their families. I am sure that many real needs within JW families are neglected due to JWs who are more committed to promoting and protecting the Watchtower than they are to caring about their families' physical and emotional well-being. I know my family is more interested in preaching the Watchtower than in their kids' or in their grandkids' welfare, or in the welfare of my aging grandmother. In fact, they don't even have the remotest idea of how to nurture anyone's emotional well-being because they're so sick themselves. They're a bunch of fucks for neglecting both the individual and the family needs over the WT Society! I think pioneering is the biggest hypocrisy of all. And there's nothing pioneering about it; it's rather mercernary, if you ask me, and I know you didn't. Like I said, it makes me want to puke. Thanks for letting me rant. OOOooo when I think of all the $ and time that goes to that god-forsaken brainwash book company that set itself up as a god. OOOOOOoooooooo!!!!
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But what if they're right............still the Truth?
by ScoobySnax inthis will probably apply to few here, but to me it'll always be that way.
it's the what if syndrome maybe, but it's always there.
i still think that as a core belief system the jw's have it right, even if their delivery isn't always right.
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Scooby Snax said: "it's not the "threat" of Armageddon that makes me feel that way, it's just that I suck up every religious debate online I can, but none of them seem to be right to me, and I'm trying to word this right so you don't jump all over me, ...but none of them seem to have the ring of truth that I remember from the Kingdom Hall. You can call it indoctrination maybe, but it's just how I feel. Of course most of the time I can get on and live my life, but sometimes it still jabs me in the neck." Scooby - That feeling you have is simply the result of JW emotional blackmail/brainwashing. You just have to learn that feelings are not facts; and get the facts. Also, some counselling might help with the guilt issues, related to anxiety linked to brainwashing. It's real, but it ain't true. Like we keep pointing out here, the bOrg gets it wrong way more often than it gets anything right. They have whored themselves to the UN and have changed their doctrines and policies too often to be taken seriously - and have done so at the expense of others' lives. They're hypocritical control freaks who still have you in their grip; get some help for your feelings. Feelings ain't facts, baby. We're here for you.
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College-ed'cated SIL Quits Career To Pioneer
by Madame Quixote inwhat a waste of a college education.
i just saw my baby brother for the first time in a couple of years (except that time when i "saw" him at the bank and he shunned me, a couple months ago).
anyhoo, i escorted my jw grandma from her summer vacation (visiting non-jw relatives, where she went 2 mos.
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On some level, I agree with you, but my gut anger says,"They made their beds, let'em lie in'em. If they need some help outta that bed, though, I'll be there to give 'em a good jerk into reality." They're just doing what's familiar; familiar pain seems less painful than unfamiliar reality, I guess. Maybe she doesn't like learning new things. And yeah, I'm sure there'e more to it than my bro wanted to share, esp. judging by the tone of his voice when he said she quit her job; he did NOT SOUND PROUD. He sounded almost resigned to it, and ADDED the "I'm so proud of her" as an afterthought; maybe he heard his own tone. BTW, they're accustomed to a rather affluent lifestyle, so I'm sure if there isn't "more to it" than meets the ear now, there will be!
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College-ed'cated SIL Quits Career To Pioneer
by Madame Quixote inwhat a waste of a college education.
i just saw my baby brother for the first time in a couple of years (except that time when i "saw" him at the bank and he shunned me, a couple months ago).
anyhoo, i escorted my jw grandma from her summer vacation (visiting non-jw relatives, where she went 2 mos.
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What a waste of a college education. I just saw my baby brother for the first time in a couple of years (except that time when I "saw" him at the bank and he shunned me, a couple months ago). Anyhoo, I escorted my JW grandma from her summer vacation (visiting non-jw relatives, where she went 2 mos. without attending any dumb meetings, yay!). My jw brother (showed up at the airport to pick her up &) informed g'ma, when she asked how his wife was doing, that she had quit her job to pioneer full-time. Oh! And he is so "proud" of her. Any other sensible husband would be embarrassed to death that his wife gave up her career to hawk cult magazines (and harass old ladies into meeting attendance), but not him, dressed up in his smarmy elder's attire. I can tell he's an elder now, just by the smugness he exudes. I did not ask how he was or anything, just "hey, good to see you" like I really didn't mean it, and I didn't. I'm just so glad I did not pay his wife's college tuition. Makes me want to puke. Crazy daisies - getting a college ed and wasting it like that. God, I want to puke!